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		<title>Google and Viacom reach partial YouTube data agreement</title>
		<link>http://digitalgarbage.net/2008/07/15/google-and-viacom/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:59:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Ira Nathenson</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The NY Times reports that Google and Viacom have reached a partial agreement regarding production of YouTube user data: Google said it had now agreed to provide lawyers for Viacom and a class-action group led by the Football Association of &#8230; <a href="http://digitalgarbage.net/2008/07/15/google-and-viacom/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The NY Times <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/16/technology/16google.html">reports</a> that Google and Viacom have reached a partial agreement regarding production of YouTube user data:</p>
<blockquote><p>Google said it had now agreed to provide lawyers for Viacom and a  class-action group led by the Football Association of England, a large  viewership database that blanks out YouTube username and Internet address data  that could be used to identify individual video watchers.</p></blockquote>
<p>The parties are still working towards a separate agreement concerning YouTube employee data, an issue I wrote about <a href="http://digitalgarbage.net/2008/07/14/google-balking-youtube/">yesterday</a>.</p>
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		<title>Google balks at providing YouTube records of employees</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 18:02:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Ira Nathenson</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[CNet reports on what may be the stumbling block in Google and Viacom&#8217;s failure to reach an agreement regarding YouTube user data (which I&#8217;ve blogged on here and here): Viacom wants to know which videos YouTube employees have watched and &#8230; <a href="http://digitalgarbage.net/2008/07/14/google-balking-youtube/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CNet <a href="http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-9989783-93.html">reports</a> on what may be the stumbling block in Google and Viacom&#8217;s failure to reach an agreement regarding YouTube user data (which I&#8217;ve blogged on <a href="http://digitalgarbage.net/2008/07/13/privacy-exxon-valdez/">here</a> and <a href="http://digitalgarbage.net/2008/07/03/google-keep-information/">here</a>):</p>
<blockquote><p>Viacom wants to know which videos YouTube employees have watched and uploaded  to the site, and Google is refusing to provide that information, CNET News has learned.</p>
<p>This dispute is the reason the two companies, and lawyers representing a group of other copyright holders suing Google, have failed to reach a final agreement on anonymizing personal information belonging to YouTube users, according to two sources close to the situation.</p></blockquote>
<p>From a discovery standpoint, I&#8217;m not sure what Google&#8217;s rationale might be for refusing to hand over employee data.  If anything, as the CNet article points out, employee data might be highly relevant to Viacom&#8217;s claims and detrimental to Google&#8217;s DMCA safe harbor defense.  What did the employees do?  Did they upload infringing videos?  Did they have actual knowledge of infringement?</p>
<p>In any case, this underscores why it&#8217;s a bad idea to leave privacy protections to those who profit from gathering our data.  It also makes Google seem to be more protective of its employees than of the public.  As <a href="http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/07/12/the-issue-of-trust-is-with-google-not-viacom/">TechCrunch</a> put it today:</p>
<blockquote><p>Google’s self imposed <a href="http://investor.google.com/conduct.html">code of conduct</a> is “Don’t be evil.”  It doesn’t say “don’t be evil unless there’s important litigation at stake.”  Google’s reputation is on the line, and how they respond will show their true character.  They’ve shown they’ll go to bat for employees, now it’s time for them to show they’ll go to bat for their users.</p></blockquote>
<p>Hat tip: <a href="http://www.gigalaw.com/news/2008/07/viacom-youtube-fighting-over-employees.html">Gigalaw</a>.</p>
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		<title>Google and Viacom: a privacy &#8220;Exxon Valdez?&#8221;</title>
		<link>http://digitalgarbage.net/2008/07/13/privacy-exxon-valdez/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 20:27:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Ira Nathenson</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Might the court order that Google hand over YouTube viewer records become, as Ed Felten and others termed a few years back, an &#8220;Exxon Valdez&#8221; of privacy that makes informational privacy a national priority?  Unfortunately, I suspect not.  If the &#8230; <a href="http://digitalgarbage.net/2008/07/13/privacy-exxon-valdez/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Might the court order that Google hand over YouTube viewer records become, as Ed Felten and others termed a few years back, an &#8220;<a href="http://www.freedom-to-tinker.com/?p=1029">Exxon</a> <a href="http://blog.xcott.com/?p=5#more-5">Valdez</a>&#8221; of privacy that makes informational privacy a national priority?  Unfortunately, I suspect not.  <strong><em>If </em></strong>the parties reach an agreement to anonymize the data and keep it out of the direct hands of Viacom, then public anger may subside.</p>
<p>What would be enough to mobilize the public?  In 2006, Ed Felten <a href="http://www.freedom-to-tinker.com/?p=1029">suggested</a> that a privacy Exxon Valdez &#8220;will have to be a leak of information so sensitive as to be life-shattering.&#8221;  But how sensitive is our viewing of, for example, <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tx1XIm6q4r4"><em>Harry Potter Puppet Pals</em></a>?  It&#8217;s creepy to think of lawyers having access to it, but is it life-shattering?  Nonetheless, it appears that the public, companies, and Congress are becoming more attuned to privacy matters.  Just last week, Google and Yahoo both recently <a href="http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/07/09/senators-weigh-possible-rules-for-advertising-and-online-privacy/?ref=technology">endorsed</a> the idea of privacy legislation before the Senate Commerce Committee.</p>
<p>In the meantime, what the the litigants doing?  The NYTimes <a href="http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/07/11/viacom-and-google-in-stalemate-over-shielding-identities-in-youtube-data/index.html?partner=rssnyt&amp;emc=rss">BITS blog</a> notes, &#8220;A week after Google and Viacom both said they <strong><em>hoped to agree</em></strong> to make YouTube viewing data anonymous before Google hands the information to Viacom, no agreement has been signed.&#8221;  (Emphasis added.)  The parties blame each another.  A Google lawyer says: “If Viacom refuses to allow us to anonymize viewing history, we will seek review by the court.”  A Viacom spokesperson counters:</p>
<blockquote><p>Viacom suggested the initiative to anonymize the data, and we have been prepared to accept anonymous information since day one.  We hope that Google will turn its focus back to anonymizing the data they are required to deliver, and spend less time making statements about why they won’t get it done.</p></blockquote>
<p>It&#8217;s not especially clear what the parties are doing or how things might be resolved.  As I blogged <a href="http://digitalgarbage.net/2008/07/03/google-keep-information/">recently</a>, an <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/04/technology/04youtube.htm">earlier Times article</a> initially stated that the parties were &#8220;<strong><em>working</em></strong> to  protect the anonymity of YouTube viewers.&#8221;  (Emphasis added.)  A few hours later, the Times article was edited to say that the parties were &#8220;<em><strong>hoping to come up with a way </strong>to </em>protect the anonymity of YouTube viewers.&#8221;  (Emphasis added.)  Apparently the parties&#8217; resolve was tempered from &#8220;work&#8221; to mere &#8220;hope.&#8221;  The parties need to do better, especially Google, which collected and retained all the information.</p>
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		<title>Google finally posts privacy link on homepage</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 13:34:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Ira Nathenson</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yesterday, Google finally posted a privacy link on its homepage, replacing the word &#8220;Google&#8221; in the footer with &#8220;Privacy.&#8221;  A step in the right direction, but the link is in the smallest text, below larger links for &#8220;Advertising Programs,&#8221; &#8220;Business &#8230; <a href="http://digitalgarbage.net/2008/07/04/google-posts-privacy-link/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.pcworld.com/article/147959/google_bows_to_pressure_adds_privacy_link_to_home_page.html">Yesterday</a>, Google finally posted a privacy link on its homepage, replacing the word &#8220;Google&#8221; in the footer with &#8220;Privacy.&#8221;  A step in the right direction, but the link is in the smallest text, below larger links for &#8220;Advertising Programs,&#8221; &#8220;Business Solutions,&#8221; and &#8220;About Google.&#8221;  See below:</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><img class="attachment wp-att-118 centered" src="http://digitalgarbage.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/google-privacy-link.jpg" alt="google-privacy-link" width="378" height="73" /></p>
<p>Hmm.  I wonder if the timing of Google&#8217;s change-of-heart had anything to do with this week&#8217;s <a href="http://www.docstoc.com/docs/document-preview.aspx?doc_id=886975">court order</a> that Google produce records of <a href="http://digitalgarbage.net/2008/07/03/google-keep-information/">millions</a> of YouTube user&#8217;s viewing habits.</p>
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		<title>Why does Google keep so much information?</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 20:24:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Ira Nathenson</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yesterday, I wrote about the &#8220;privacy paradox&#8221; and Google&#8217;s refusal to post a conspicuous link to its privacy policy on its homepage.   Today, the New York Times reports that the judge overseeing the Viacom/YouTube copyright lawsuit has ordered Google to &#8230; <a href="http://digitalgarbage.net/2008/07/03/google-keep-information/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yesterday, I <a href="http://digitalgarbage.net/2008/07/02/privacy-paradox/">wrote</a> about the &#8220;privacy paradox&#8221; and Google&#8217;s refusal to post a conspicuous link to its privacy policy on its homepage.   Today, the New York Times <a href=" http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/04/technology/04youtube.htm">reports</a> that the judge overseeing the Viacom/YouTube copyright lawsuit has ordered Google to turn over a database linking YouTube users to every video clip they have watched on the site:</p>
<blockquote><p>The order raised concerns among users and privacy advocates that the online  video viewing habits of <span style="text-decoration: line-through;">hundreds</span> <span style="text-decoration: underline;">tens</span> of millions of people could be exposed.  But  Google and Viacom said they were <span style="text-decoration: line-through;">working to</span> <span style="text-decoration: underline;">hoping to come up with a way to</span> protect the anonymity of YouTube  viewers<span style="text-decoration: underline;">.</span><span style="text-decoration: line-through;">, and</span></p>
<p>Viacom said that the information would be safeguarded by a  protective order restricting access to the data to outside advisors, who will  use it solely to press Viacom’s $1 billion copyright suit against Google.</p></blockquote>
<p>It&#8217;s good that some steps are being taken to limit the use of the information.  But <em>why </em>is Google collecting and retaining so much information? Maybe there&#8217;s business value in keeping it, but there&#8217;s also business value in not angering <span style="text-decoration: line-through;">hundreds</span> <span style="text-decoration: underline;">tens</span> of millions of users.  Google&#8217;s apparent taste for data retention risks a well-deserved loss of goodwill.  (Or considering people&#8217;s wayward attitudes towards privacy, perhaps not.)  I recognize that some information must be retained for a variety of reasons.  But the more unnecessary information you keep, the more likely somebody you didn&#8217;t envision &#8212; a wayward employee, a hacker, or even worse, an adverse litigant &#8212; will find a use for it you didn&#8217;t want.</p>
<p>The court&#8217;s order can be found <a href="http://www.docstoc.com/docs/document-preview.aspx?doc_id=886975">here</a>.</p>
<p><strong>ADDENDUM: </strong>The Times has revised the text of the quoted portion of the article from when I viewed it earlier.  I&#8217;ve indicated appropriate changes above.</p>
<p><strong>NOTE (JULY 13): </strong>See <a href="http://digitalgarbage.net/2008/07/13/privacy-exxon-valdez/">here</a> for updates.</p>
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